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Agencies Have Funny Way of Showing 'Commitment' to Diversity
Don't Be Surprised When the Lawyers Start Knocking on Your Doors
The New York City agency world should be ashamed of itself.The New York City Commission on Human Rights held a public meeting Monday night regarding the issue of diversity in the advertising industry. A rough count of those sweltering in the close quarters of a conference room on Rector Street showed 27 people in attendance. It's hard to say what was more discouraging: that of the 27, three were members of the commission, two were lawyers and three were journalists; that of the six white people in attendance, two were members of the commission, two were lawyers and one was a journalist; or that in an industry this size, on an issue this public and this important, a turnout of 20-some-odd people was considered a success. (And before anyone starts griping about other representation, there was one Asian-American woman in attendance and no Hispanics. But let's be honest: From the start, this has been predominantly a black-white issue.)
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More embarrassing and much more troubling? Of the 16 New York ad agencies that have had their dirty laundry aired by the commission -- and of those many, many other agencies that hide behind the other 16, thinking "Better them than us" -- exactly two, Arnold and Saatchi, had representatives in attendance.
There may have been some confusion about the nature of this meeting. Commission Director of Communications Betsy Herzog indicated that it wasn't exactly meant to be a public spectacle (though it was advertised in Ad Age) and that the commission wanted attendees to feel comfortable airing their grievances. One of the agency representatives mentioned that other agencies didn't want representatives there for fear of intimidating those gathered.
But at this point, these meetings should be more than an opportunity for middle-aged black men who are at their wits' end and have nowhere else to turn to air their grievances to one another.
To quote industry gadfly Sanford Moore, "This ain't kindergarten."
Maybe those in attendance would have been less inclined to speak if agency representatives were there, but that's highly unlikely. These men aren't shrinking violets. Besides, none of them work for agencies at the moment.
And that's the stark reality of the situation that agency executives don't want to face. Undoubtedly, some agency executives might be surprised that their attendance was expected. After all, hasn't a panel been convened? Haven't diversity initiatives been started? Haven't those shops on the list played along, sharing their minority hiring goals and retention rates?
That's not enough. Not even close. (And no offense to the men and women toiling away on agency diversity issues, but it's not you who need to be at these meetings; it's your bosses and your bosses' bosses.)
Ultimately, white people run this industry, and there should have been more white people in that room.
It's no one's idea of a good time, and it would have dramatically altered the dynamic of the meeting, but that's what's needed. The people present at the meeting have talked and talked and talked. It's about time that agency executives start listening.
No, it's not fun to sit there and put faces and names to the stories you hear in the industry. It's not fun to see grown men and women wrestling with a mix of pride and frustration, to sense that they're just this close to throwing their hands up in defeat and that you, an agency executive, are partly responsible. It's uncomfortable to hear a 20-something black man who has an agency job call this "the most discouraging business to be in." It isn't easy to try to distill the cases of racial discrimination from those of talent discrimination, to parse the inside stories and personal grudges that haunt a corner of the industry that most executives probably don't even know exist.
It isn't easy to hear Sanford Moore heap scorn upon the ad industry, to scoff at the "so-called progress" made so far. Sometimes, it's hard not to roll your eyes when Mr. Moore turns just as quickly on someone else in the room, slamming this one for being naïve, that one for not providing data, this one for going about the problem all wrong.
It's certainly embarrassing to hear him liken an industry run by self-described well-meaning liberals to Apartheid South Africa. (You can just hear them protest: "But ... but ... some of my best friends are black!")
And it's frustrating beyond belief when Mr. Moore dismantles every line of reasoning or excuse the agency world has thrown at this problem.
We need more awareness in the next generation. "Why are we talking about children when there are grown men who can't get jobs now," said Mr. Moore.
There are simply not enough black people interested in the industry. "We can find black people when we want to take money from black people," he said, pointing out that when general market agencies need help with minority work -- and need to prove they have minorities on the account -- they can produce black talent seemingly out of thin air.
Black people get frustrated and leave because of lack of support; there's no one in middle management. "There are men sitting in this room who'd jump at such jobs," answered Mr. Moore. "And where are all those interns from the 1970s and 1980s? Where did they go?"
We need better training for minority students; we need to establish a pipeline. "White people don't have a pipeline. They don't need a pipeline. Advertising is the last business where undereducated white people can make money. ... Advertising is made up of the bottom 12% of any MBA class. ... They get paid while we get screwed."
That's a comment that cuts deep at the heart of most people in the industry, partly because it wounds the ego -- we all want to believe our jobs are extremely difficult -- but partly because you know it's true. Suddenly you remember all those white acquaintances who, by all rights, should have been run out of this business long ago: the copywriter who needs help spelling his name; the art director who keeps recycling her same dull idea for each client pitch; the account executive who remembers that the client changed the brief only half an hour before the big meeting, after the creative team has pulled an all-nighter. Yet not only do these people keep their jobs, some of them crawl their way up the ladder.
That's not to say that Mr. Moore is 100% right. There are many reasons why the agency world looks more like a gated community than a global one. There is a lack of awareness in certain minority enclaves; portfolio schools are expensive. The starting pay stinks for qualified candidates who can get better jobs with marketers. Not all of these are excuses.
But they start to sound that way when the executives in question don't have the decency to give the problem its due, don't have the balls to show up in person and look these people in the eye.
Not showing up also allows charges to go unanswered. Rafee Kamaal, a TV producer, likened the industry to insects when calling for more attention to the matter. "Roaches scatter when you shine the light on them." Others said that a system of discrimination is "embedded in the industry." Euro RSCG was named-checked no fewer than three times in last night's meeting -- and it wasn't for enlightened hiring practices.
And then there was attorney Cyrus Mehri, also on hand last night. Perhaps agency executives will recognize Mehri & Skalet from landmark cases such as Ingram vs Coca-Cola Co., Augst-Johnson et al. vs. Morgan Stanley and Gutierrez vs. Johnson & Johnson. Mr. Mehri wasn't there to hold hands and make friends. "I am just stunned," he told those gathered, "by an industry that's been so entrenched in a good-old-boy system for so long." They've been doing "rope-a-dope" since 1963, he added. And perhaps the one thing that might cut through the clutter in an agency exec's mind: "The only reforms that really work are those that entail true accountability."
Mr. Mehri wasn't talking the paltry $250,000 fine that even Commissioner Patricia Gatling calls laughable. The truth is, though, that in all these years no one's brought a suit against the industry. And Congress hasn't shown much interest (though a Democratic sweep in November may change that).
So for now, those fighting for diversity have to rely on shame. In fact, Ms. Gatling was refreshingly honest about it. "The only thing government can do," she said, "and we don't do a lot well, is bring issues forward. ... Our issue is holding people morally responsible." She added that perhaps the most effective outcome of the hearings was to embarrass agencies in front of their clients.
Which only goes so far against an industry that would gladly sell colored sugar cubes to toddlers if it could get away with it. Sure, agencies respond to shame -- and to its close cousins embarrassment and very public humiliation. But only up to a point. It seemed clear on Monday that the forces gathered to do something about diversity in this industry realize they've reached a limit to what they can do with those tools.
So no one should be surprised if they do take the next step they've been threatening for the last 40 years: lawsuits and regulation. Agency execs, you can't say you weren't warned.
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Thank you for writing this.
I hope those professionals threatening to act, stop threatening and act. At least they can, the chances of that happening in some of the smaller markets is slim to none, and slim has left the building.
And I was about to send a very good art director to NY. What was I thinking?
I have known Sanford Moore for almost 40 years. "Gadfly" does not even begin to
describe what he has had to endure at the hands of the advertising industry.
Sanford Moore's life has been threatened. But still he persists. His movements have been shadowed. But still he persists. His motives and character have been attacked, yet he will not be turned around.
Mr. Moore is not some Johnny-come-lately. He made his bones at BBDO
long before there was a Doug Alligood. In fact it was Sandy's support of Mr. Alligood that
helped him attain his position.
It was Sanford Moore who rallied the support of
Civil Rights Advocates like Cesar Chavez and Rev. Al Sharpton to the discrimination
heaped upon Black and Hispanic Publishers by agencies charged with buying media
for the Federal Government.
Mr. Moore is no "Gadfly." He was there in the late
60's when the N.Y. State Civil Rights Authorities took the agencies to task for
their bias hiring practices. He was there in the 1970's when the Black Caucus
admonished the agencies to fall in line with the rest of corporate America in embracing
diversity. Sanford Moore was there in the 1980's when even the White House
called for fair representation for minorities in government funded advertising contracts.
And yes, he was there in the 90's when an unsympathetic political regime all but
crushed the progress so many had fought and died for in the struggle for equal
rights under the law.
The American Heritage Dictionary defines "Gadfly" as "a nuisance." In the dawn of the new century, when an enlightened corporate community had
elected minority CEO's to companies like American Express and Time Warner it
was Sanford Moore who, in the fashion of a true "nuisance" said enough is enough
and opened this entire embarrassing can of worms just one more time.
In 1968,
Mike Becker and I created the longest running television campaign in American History.
Mike went on to become a worldwide Creative Director. Barry Manilow went on
to become a megastar. But I could not get a job as a creative director in any major
agency, even after being appointed to the Clio Hall of Fame. To me Sanford Moore
is not a "gadfly." To me Sanford Moore is an American Hero. And for publishing
your thoughts on this issue (with the tiny exception of that one unfortunate choice of words), so are you. Thank you, for all of us. http://MadisonAveNew.com
if this is true, why would any black person, or any minority (or anyone of any color), aspire to be apart of this profession? why work for the good ole boys?
You could probably change out "white" for "black" and "this business" for "African-American ad agencies" and have it be just as true.
There are hacks who succeed in this business no matter what their skin color. Saying it's just white people who get a free pass is not only insulting, it's wrong.
With each passing year, I've grown more and more convinced that things simply are what they are.
I've seen what happens when you speak out in this industry. I've seen it up close and personal. It's not pretty what can be done to you. Personally, I've had enough. It's a broken system and there are too many people who enjoy maintaining the status quo.
But i'm glad folks like Ken and Sanford are sticking with it.
(A good question, but to give the quote a little more more context, it came at a point where we discussing the qualifications to get into the business for anyone, not just minorities, and how it's one of the few industries without a union as well as one which also doesn't require a college degree.)
and therein lies part of the rub--the notion that quality and ethnic diversity are mutually exclusive or that one must be sacrificed in order to have the other.
as for Matt's "You could probably change out "white" for "black" and "this business" for "African-American ad agencies" and have it be just as true."
He'd be correct.Only the white creative is allowed to rep him/herself. No one's ever seen crap work from a white agency or a white professional in the PR/Advertising/Marketing/Media industries and thought, "well, I guess they just can't hack it."
when you're black, you're on the hook for everyone who has your background.
it's myopic, condescending, stupid and usually wrong. but it's a fact of life in this business.
Someone wrote in this chain that the "best talent" and "diversity talent" are not mutually exclusive ideas. If the person judging what "best talent" means has an outdated, closed or limited point of reference, then his/her assessment of the talent pool will be skewed in a specific direction and systematically bring him/her to similar conclusions every time they review candidates. Someone once told me that the definition of insanity is to do the SAME thing over and over and expect different results each time.
Posit: Is it possible that diversity talent is often not deemed the "best" talent because the people doing the assessment are not the most qualified arbiters of talent? Afterall, if Kanyé had to have the CCO of McCann approve his creative output, he'd be doing tacky Verizon Wireless ads rather than inspiring youth culture all over the world.
Perhaps what is the most shameful thing of all here, and one that the industry on the whole should pay attention to very closely, is that an ad agency sans diversity cannot keep up with the dynamism of our changing times.
The world WE live in is a vigorous place, and we are living through the most culturally-connected, -diverse and -enriching phase in human history. How can THIS industry, whose business model is built on "understanding people," continue to be relevant without embracing diversity?
If Dan Weiden thought a potted plant could write a half-decent campaign, then that potted plant would have an office waiting for it in Portland.
The same holds true for all great agencies. They don't really care where the good comes from...only that it is indeed good. Over the past 16 years I have heard young people blame their failures on their youth and older people blame it on their lack of it. I've heard cries of ageism, sexism, racism, gender bias and everything else one can think of. And more often than not, those cries came from people who, when push came to shove, didn't have the goods.
Sorry, but it's the truth.
- Galen, NYC
At the root of the problem is, I think, the inability of the industry to prove itself in any which way. When one talks about "better" in, say, engineering, it is a provable word. In advertising, 95% of its practitiones probaby can't pin point anything.
95% of the creatives have no clue to what extent their creative worked; 95% of the media people have no clue to what extent their media strategies worked and so on.
In a business where no one really knows what works, what doesn't work and to what extent "it" works and/or doesn't work, it is easy for anyone to say "we are hiring the best candidate possible, never mind the race" because no one know who the "best" candidate is.
But since everybody involved with this article and comments are spilling their guts out, I might as well say something I personally experience while working in corporate America for twenty-six years: sales rep. to Vice President. What Manny Gonzales says about, "lily-white ad agency industry and marketing department of corporate America" I say take it one step further: it holds true for the corporate America for whom I worked and especially mid-managers to C-Suite. At first, I was bitter for all the young, inexperience, white managers promoted before me or brought in from the outside that I had to train to do their job so I could do mine-including outright racism causing me my first management position. However, after careful reflection, I now realize, the failure was/is not a "funny way of showing commitment to diversity" as Mr. Wheaton writes-that is too, too kind- but rather no real commitment at all. I remember the great Peter Jovanovich-now you know I was in the publishing industry and also a history lesson of sorts-meeting with the management staff after a buyout of our company. He asked the national sales manager about our diversity policy. She said it really has not been an issue. Peter said, and I will remember this to the day I die and why he is still in my heart; "It won't be an issue UNTIL AND UNLESS YOU MAKE IT AN ISSUE"!
As for the mention of "the best talent and not diversity", if you can, reverse that with the lily-whites who were promoted in the business or accepted (let in) to a college or university based on something else (personal relationships-parents financial donations) other than talent or academic qualifications.
There, there are my guts!
I've attended these "diversity fairs" and been just as ignored as the hundreds of minority firms in attendance.
I've written a few things about this total disregard for the law here:
http://www.thenextwave.biz/tnw/?cat=29
Face it. The ad industry isn't going to start hiring minorities any faster than Donny Deutsch is going to start hiring ugly women (read his book).
I share with you that this is one of those debates that "drives me up the wall", but for a different reason. It drives me up the wall that this issue is not in the front page of every 'mainstream' industry publication, where it should be. As full representation of the talent
of non-white advertising professionals should be as well so these agencies and yourself can no longer deny their existence.
Shame on them for their complicity by failing to give this vital issue its rightful place in their publications and expose 'Professional Apartheid' as no longer acceptable in today's America, for their failure to take a stand and condemn racism and inequality in our industry. As with other important social issues it has been the media exposure of injustices that has created the momentum for justice and positive change. The quality of life and well being of countless professionals and their families count on the increased support of those that can, with their influence, make a difference. Take this as a challenge to do the right thing.
Affirmative Action in any way shape or form is condescending to the human spirit.
One creative at the hearing did freelance work for a multicultural shop on a national brand. The work was good enough to displace the general agency's own work, so much so that the client loved it enough to expand the program and run it nationally. The client then interceded on his behalf when the general agency wouldn't return his emails/calls about trying to come on board FT. (If we're talking about quality as the main issue, wouldn't you want someone as good, if not better than the people you have? Hire the guy, no?)
Months later, he still hasn't heard back. How many more stories do you need to hear like that, because they're out there.
Trust me, folks, the corporate marketing & advertising world is much to competitive to let race or gender issues dictate hiring principles across the board. Above all things, managers rely on performance to keep their jobs- red, white, black or blue- and, to satisfy the public markets. The investors (stock market), above all, like GREEN. And, they don't care what color produces it... really.
I call on the Fortune 500 and ad agencies, and when I don't get the job, or, the campaign performs poorly, I often get vague answers as to why. I've learned to probe deeper. And, what I have found is that nearly 100% of the time it is based on "perception". The perception that my competitor has what they need and I don't. As far as ad agencies producing "marginal" work (see other posts) I have found that, yes, it is extremely challenging (if not impossible) to determine what succeeds or doesn't all the time for every program. There are too many factors involved and advertising and marketing is not an exact science. Advertisings' mix of measurable metrics and creative art form is what makes it so fun....and challenging. more so a creative art form. Also, by and large, ad agency people are generalists as they have many programs to manage. They rely on me to tell them why things worked/or didn't. (I'm referring to Mr. Witt's comments. By the way, Mr. Witt, let me tell you why you lost the business. You need to work on your skills...as in sales skills [I'm assuming you otherwise have he "goods". Which I doubt. One thing about the successful people I know. They take responsibilty for their failures. Period. It has nothing to do with the fact that I'm Irish -Catholic, recovering alcoholic, and own a little foo foo dog. I used to be paranoid, now I know not to feel like a victim. There's no conspiracy. The world does not revolve around my needs, wants, and wishes. Darn it.
By the way, who compared Advertising to Engineering? Wow, that's a stretch. Is there a lot of diversity in engineering... still trying to figure out that comparison. ...no wonder you're a failure (Marcelos). Once again some clueless guy that thinks he worldly cause he's lived abroad, denigrating an entire industry. Please enlighten me, sir. What works in advertising. No really, I can't wait to here from you (zzzzzzzz).
While you pundits are at it dO me a favor and point out one industry, large or small, that we can use as a model of diversity. That way we know what the heck you're talking about. Wating......
Over the last 5 yrs. I have aligned myself with other smaller/ boutique agencies, where, ostensibly, there are much fewer barriers to entry. I've never come across one African-American agency. It's probably the fault of the big ad agencies and corporate American and Big Brother and don't forget Osama Bin Laden (he doing it from a cave somewhere in Afghanistan).
In the last 18months I have worked with a major agency that has an office on the west coast. My contacts have been one gay man, one woman, and young gentlemen with a very "authentic" Asian name (if he weren't my client I'd ask him to change it to "Joe Smith"....much more Anglo sounding). Pretty diverse, I think. Not good enough for some of you guys, though. Oh yeah, I'll give you a hint on who the agency is," think The Big Idea". And guess what, Donny had nothing to do with the hiring of those people, as well, as well as the non=hiring of African-American (dare I say "blacks" which is actually what those I've associated with recently refer to themselves as). DO me a favor, if you're going to take a shot at someone that's a million times more successful than you, at least watch the show (David E. OH). Recently, he's had P. Diddy on there. (he is black...isn't he?). As far as hiring pretty women (I have not read the book) the one thing I remember about my state-funded college education is that SEX SELLS. That's Advertising 101. Pretty basic. You are in the advertising industry I presume. As far as "agencies beating the door down to get to you" guess what: Sales 101: maybe you should reach out to them. Hmmm...maybe that's too much work. As far as, being "ignored" at "diversity fairs", guess what, I've been to plenty of trade shows myself. In fact, I had an expensive booth, pretty women (and yes, I'm white), and not one shred of business. They "ignored" me. I'm such a victim! Guess what I had to end up doing. I tried something different to get business-it was hard. It was a lot of work.
As far as Mr. Wheaton is concerned, have you ever worked in the ad agency word, if so what are you doing writing crummy, meaningless articles now (yeah, I know I read the article. I had to have something to do while I ate my lunch; before I got back to COLD-CAlling. Yeah, I work for my success. I'm not much into the blame game. Also, I actually look to Ad Age for relevant articles about what's hot and positive about the industry; If I want politics I read the NY Times or Washington Post. Your article deserves to be in the Op-ed section somewhere. It is clearly based on you biased opinion and your bleeding heart liberal leanings". Your such a do-gooder. Yeh (I'm so glad I canceled my Ad Age subscription; obviously it was the right decision).
The only thing worse than a journalist trying to build some self-respect by putting others down (i.e. your debasing of an the entire NY ad agency scene. Laughable) is a frustrated salesman (me). Ha ha.
DO I think less opportunties avail themselves to certain races...absolutely.Can they break through ...absolutely. Unfortuneatly, you cannot erase the fact that Africans were brought here in chains a mere couple hundred years again. We are still assimulating...trying to get through the growing pains.It will take time. It is getting better. Slowly..over time. My heart goes out to those less fortunate than others. There are many among us. Blaming one or two institutions does not work. Fear breeds fear. People usually pull back when they branded "anything". It's counter-productive, actually. But, it sells newspaper. So, thanks for writing this article and, once again, expoiting the less fortunate. Good job.It worked. You got you name on the lead article I'm so impressed...those "marginal" ad people will be too, I'm sure.
Gotta go now. I'm going back to WORK.
Jim
Unfortunately, there are also issues associated with Hispanic owned agencies that are run like sweat shops, where they work their employees long hours for crappy pay. Hispanic shops have also created their own cesspool by not hiring native born talent and importing Mexican and Latin American talent in order to pay them pennies on the dollar and the talent doesn't care as long as they get sponsored to work in the U.S.
The end result is launching web sites designed by Argentino's for the U.S. Hispanic market that will waste the clients money and leave a negative impression for those that can do good work for the right price. The old saying,You get what you pay for, will always ring true.
There are any number of people on a daily basis who could claim to be unfairly treated. But being treated unfairly means different things to different people and can thusly be interpreted differently depending on your POV. Ex. White guy treated unfairly by boss says, "that guy's an asshole who plays favorites." Black guy who's treated unfairly in the same way says "that guy's a racist."
White people, for the most part, are so afraid to be labeled a racist that they're willing to bend in the opposite direction just to prove they aren't.
And that 'bending' is itself racial bias. Go figure.
The real issue is aboutvpower.
I always love to hear well-rehearsed rhetoric about "talent and meritocracy." You never know how much talent a dog has until you give it an opportunity to run a race. Furthermore, you never know what a dog did to get the opportunity to stand on the race track. The "talent and meritocracy" argument is another silly bag of tricks used to keep "undesired dogs" out of the race.
I've been around over 70 years, and I've seen these tricks before. Remember, Al Campanis? These discusses always bring out the Campanises of the world. Inherent in their argument is the inferiority of minorities. See they subconsciously believe that if minorities are not in advertising, they don't have the talent. Sounds logical doesn't it? At one time, this same logic was used to keep colored folks out of baseball, basketball, and football.
Again, this is about power. Those in power never willing give up power. Power is never relinquished! Power is overthrown.
Young men and women, take a lesson from the granolas of the world, who buy from companies that are "green." Might consumers be willing to buy from companies who really make a difference in terms of "equality?" If so, how do you inform the public? Might one of you "pissed off" blogees start a website that list companies who practice fairness?
See, any revolution starts with a 2-fold approach.
First, make people aware of the problem. Second, tell people, in baby steps, what actions to take against the problem.
What's stopping all of this creative energy from starting a online petition, an online revolution?
My generation is waiting for the next generational revolution
Who will light the fire?
Remember the Proverb, "There came into Egypt a Pharaoh who did not know."
George, TN
Your coverage of Monday night's hearing was accurate, insightful and genuinely appreciated. And I am moved by all of the comments that have been submitted here, even the ones with points of view that I do not share. I take nourishment from the voices that cry out for change in our industry, but I am also encouraged by those who disagree, because at least they are willing to participate in the conversation, unlike "those who won't show up" and who preserve the status quo in anonimity.
Ken, please don't forget the promise I asked of you as we left the hearing room Monday night; "No matter what, please don't ever get tired of covering this story."
Your comment about Burrell is ill-informed. The U.S. minority shops are surprisingly diverse. You might get hired there—provided you could demonstrate you were qualified.
Where exactly did I say that ""whites' are more talented/brighter/capable than Hispanics, Blacks, or any other non-white race for that matter?"
Oh, right..nowhere.
I come from the creative side of this business and I can honestly say that the cross section of people I have come across in my 16 years is actually pretty diverse.
Ultimately, one gets a job as a creative by having a good book, period. I actually consider this to be the ultimate level playing field. If you're good, you're good. If you're not, you're not.
And if you're not, the name on the resume inside won't matter.
Maybe there are people out there that reject books based on if they have "non white" sounding names. I simply haven't met any of them.
And honestly, I hope I never do.
E Turegano
Orange, CA
Would that cross-section you speak of hold true
for Executive Creative Directors? How about EVP,Management Supervisors? Perhaps Agency Board Members? Chief Creative Officers? Agency Presidents? There are two that I know of. Both were recruited from outside of traditional agencies by the same British Gentleman.
And that level playing field? How many on the agency's showcase accounts? You know. The ones whose work is submitted to all of the awards shows.
Maybe that's not fair. In 40 years how could we hope to have more than one Black ECD among the 2346 members of the 4A's? And Zero in New York City.
Bias is not something to brag about. How would you know if you ever met any one who ever rejected a book on the basis of a non-white sounding name?
Has anyone ever asked you, "Well, how are you at drawing white people?" Has anyone ever said of you, "Er, I don't know how the client would feel about him on their account?" How about, "Well the problem is, we don't know how our white employees would feel if they had to report to you?" And my personal favorite," Have you tried over at Uniworld or Burrell?"
Galen, we hold these truths to be self-evident. The playing field is not level. And no degree of denial or myopia will change that. Don't be a part of the problem.
The truth is not pretty. I have a great portfolio. When I have showed up for interviews the person I was confirmed to see was gone. The appointment was never re-set. Not just once. Not just twice. But dozens of times in dozens of agencies.
This is not our imagination, Galen. This is our life. Be thankful it is not yours. http://MadisonAvenew.com
The major problem is that the lack of diversity on staff at agencies – in NYC and elsewhere – doesn't register with the powers that be as a point of concern. It's a total lack of awareness that this inclusiveness, ultimately, is good for business. They've been doing business a certain way for so long – and successfully, they might argue – that the significance of broadening the viewpoint for their clients by incorporating a diverse group of employees isn't top of mind. If they don't get with the program (and quickly), because of our country's rapidly changing demographic, they'll soon find themselves at the edge of a cliff scrambling for an out, wondering why they waited so long to take action. And it won't be pretty.
I am sorry you've obviously gone through such a tough time in this business. I am in no way saying racism doesn't exist in advertising . It does. On the agency and on the client side. I'm not naive. Unfortunately this is the sad state of afairs. But I am one of those people who believe we are actually heading in the right direction. I was simply stating that in the creative department of nearly every agency, there is a level playing field when it comes to getting a shot; both at getting a job and getting a chance to do great work. That may have not been the case for you when you were getting started, but I truly believe it is now.
Oh, by the way...In my 16 year career, I have worked with people of every race, creed and color on dozens of "showcase accounts." But you know what? I've never really thought about any of those people's race, crees or color until now.
Maybe people like me are not the problem.....but perhaps the solution.
Your work is exquisite. You are a truly gifted practitioner of your craft. But you would not have become so skilled at what you do had you not had the opportunity to do it over and over and over again.
Like any other highly developed skill, the number of times you get up to bat determines the level and degree of sophistication you bring to any given opportunity. Getting up to bat is the only problem confronting us.
I appreciate your empathy with my "tough time" in this business. But rest assured, I have left more of my compeditors blood on the floor, then I myself have shed. I have no regrets. I've been blessed with legendary mentors like Berry Gordy and Helmut Krone. Billions of people are still humming my work four decades later.
My issue with your comments is simple and without malice. You are just ill-informed on this topic. Dan Weiden has been quoted as saying, "The agency has boosted minority hiring, but not enough. I will not stand here and try to make excuses for the number of African-Americans we've hired. It's pathetic. There's a lot more we can do."
Truth is stronger than opinion. Trying to place the issue "back when I got started" is not borne out by the current experiences that have been presented on these pages. No amount of cheerleading will make it so.
Do not confuse your good fortune at Houston Effler, JWT, Lowe,DDB, Concept Farm and Arnold over the past 16 years with an industry attitude that has inspired this article and the attending commentary. Your hard work and diligence has paid off for you. Not so for others.
Personally, I could care less about diversity. The only reason I post here is to drive traffic to my website. Because the things I write about would never make it to the pages of Advertising Age. I have nothing to do with flawed hiring practices. My issue is flawed business practices.
But if you really do believe yourself to be part of the solution, send me some work from Arnold. Or refer me to someone you know who may be looking for a Creative Director at one of these level playing fields. The solution is in your actions. Not in your words. My work can be reviewed at http://HarryWebber.com and as always http://MadisonAveNew.com
NYC does have a black ECD. My apologies to the
amazing Jimmy Smith at BBDO. That makes a grand total of two.
These two clowns fail to approach the diversity issue from a moral compass. They are very Jackson and Thomas like in their arguments and outlooks.
They want to personally benefit from this issue. It's sad that they are not torn and tortured by the issue but are both still on the auction blocks!
What in the holy hell are you talking about? How am I, in any way, like Clarence Thomas in this particular discussion? And what exactly is "the affirmative action womb?" I guess you are insinuating that I am an African American who was given a chance via affirmative action and have now turned my back on my race? Well, not that it matters, but I am a white, half Jew from Massachusetts.
And last I checked, posting a comment on a blog doesn't benefit the poster in any way, other than letting them express themselves freely. I don't see how stating an opinion suddenly makes me morally corrupt. If anything I was saying that I am colorblind and have had many bosses who are as well..
And if anyone is a clown in the room it's you sir.
Thanks for continually resuscitating this issue. More people need to stand up and challenge the advertising industry status quo.
Over the past few months, I enthusiastically sought to land an
"informational interview" at an ad agency. We all heard this talk about the advertising industry rolling out the "inclusion" mat for
entrepreneurial, proactive, and passionate flies. My experience, was one of consistently running into a moated gate. I felt
like a fly knocking on a heavy, ivory gate.
On one lucky occasion, I was fortunate enough to hear from an unwelcoming gatekeeper that my resume was deposited in the resume bank. The talent scout explained that if the advertising kingdom found a fit for my skills, I would hear from them. I was a little thunderstruck by this formed response. I was not desperately
seeking a full time place in the kingdom, but requesting only an"informational visit." As a show of goodwill, I offered to meet for cup of tea.
Upon reflection, I wondered if this was the most effective way to recruit for
or run a kingdom? What sustains great kingdoms? How do they discover and
recruit the right talent? How do they retain and develop the right talent?
I believe that my treatment is "probably" typical of most flies that come
knocking at the ivory advertising gates. The gatekeepers send a strong, clear, and
unequivocal message to flies that they are not wanted or welcomed.
Fortunately for me, rejections and nos fuel my engine to drive full speed ahead.
This is a copy of an email intercepted from one gatekeeper:
Just wanted you to know that I received a voice mail from Mr. Leggett this morning. He concerns me a bit since his lead in is that he is the son of a laywer [sic] and the brother of a Detroit judge.
I will return his call because he said he had a question for me. However, I advise we limit conversation until we know exactly what he wants.
Sr.Partner, Chief Diversity Officer
Ogilvy & Mather
John Weiser, the former president of Bechtel Enterprises, once shared with me that "fit" is not something you determine on paper or by phone, but something you feel when you meet. Perhaps this approach explains Bechtel's stealth success.
My lawyers are seeking stories of discrimination from other flies. You can email your input to the flyinitiative@aol.com
A proud gadfly!
I believe you to be just one more ambulance chaser sensing a large payday in what he believes to be the class-action suit of the century. Personally my money is on Mr. Mehri who has shown time and time again that he is driven by finding solutions, not just settlements.
As far as being "torn and tortured by the issue," there is no issue. The agencies have put this entire matter on "ignore." Why should I care any more than they do.
And the only thing I want to "personally benefit from," is the web traffic this topic is generating to http://MadisonAveNew.com. Which I have, and for which I am extremely grateful.
Other than that, my reputation and my work speak for itself. I made the mistake of championing diversity on Madison Avenue long before it was fashionable. All it got me was black-listed by the agencies and avoided like the plague by those whose fortunes I sought to improve. So be it.
The monumental ignorance of Mr. Miller and others that have posted here speaks volumes as to the conditions that exist in an under-educated society.
As to the "auction block," I strongly concur. I am available (as I have always been) to the highest bidder. As an avid capitalist I embrace the fact that although most agencies do not see the wisdom in engaging my services, a great many global brands seem to have had no such reservations. After all, what I do has helped to make my clients successful year after year after year. And the last time I looked
"I'm Stuck On Band-Aid Brand" was still running strong, even after having left Y&R for McCann many years ago.
George, seriously, with a track record like Galen's and like mine, who needs to be a "shakedown artist?" We both respect each other as professionals so the "vs" issue is more in your head than ours. And the ridiculous analogy simply quantifies your lack of intelligence. I certainly feel sorry for those poor souls unfortunate enough to be your clients. Stuck firmly in the past at http://MadisonAveNEW.com
For over 16 years now, I have been vocal about racism in this industry. I've responded to and written blogs. I've told my story. I have contacted government agencies to look into the viral practice.
I initially assumed it was all about education. This industry, I thought, simply needed to become educated about all the positive aspects of hiring minorities. In turn, minorities needed to know about the opportunities advertising offered. I naively believed this was the answer. I joined what was then the Minority Advertising Training program through which, admittedly, I did get a foot in the agency world. I was placed a Rubin Postaer. However, once my internship ended (once Rubin Postaer no longer had an obligation to keep me on the pay-roll) I was forced to make my entrance into advertising through another avenue. Oh, I tried to get a full-time job at Rubin. I even sought the mentorship of a few creatives to help me start my career as a copywriter. I clearly recall sitting in one of the sr. copywriter's office eager to hear what I could do to get to his level. He advised that perhaps I should just try to get a job with some Hispanic shop and write Spanish copy. Never mind, I didn't write Spanish. He never even asked if I spoke it. I was deflated. The general market agency door was slammed shut upon my departure from Rubin.
After months of searching and enduring racist humiliation, being ignored or flat-out rejected, I was hired at a Hispanic agency boutique. I thought, 'here is a place where I will finally be able to flex some brain power and show that through my hard work, I am worthy of being in this business.' I was wrong. You see this "seemingly" Hispanic shop was owned by non-Hispanics; a fluent Spanish-speaking Anglo woman and her semi-retired general market copywriter /stay-at-home Anglo husband. They made it a practice to do some granny-research by always checking in with their Hispanic housekeeper and their Hispanic janitor to determine if the work was on strategy. Never mind their two domestic employees only fit the Spanish-speaking profile of the intended target. Who cared if the HHI, acculturation, demo or psychographic profile were not the same? They were Hispanic and surely, if it applied to them, it applied to all. Next, this benevolent "Professional Hispanic" couple would make the same blanket assumptions clearly supported through their own ignorance and prejudices about Hispanics. They refused to take on an alcohol account because they claimed, 'there is too much alcoholism in the Hispanic community (clearly we were all drunks) and we will not contribute to it.' Hmm, that was mighty white of them, no? The final straw was when through a search for more account execs the owners clearly stated that the candidates needed to be 'client-friendly Hispanics.' My jaw dropped. When I inquired what that meant, I was told candidates should be "White-looking." Whoa! I had to leave.
Next, of all the racist treatment I received in my search for my next job, a few experiences clearly stand out 14 years later. One was at Dailey & Associates where the white account supervisor was all set to interview me. Upon seeing me, the first statement out of her mouth was (after a frustrated sigh), "I really think you will be bored in this position. I mean you already have two years of work experience...and really, being an account coordinator will bore you and you'll want to leave." I wonder if my Anglo-counterparts heard, "Wow, you already have two years of agency experience and you seem smart. I am sure you will do well here and can easily see you perform at the next level." She "encouraged me to find a job in a Hispanic agency. She then picked up a copy of Adweek (by the way, I had a student subscription for three years) and slowly, loudly but definitely with a condescending tone explained, "This is Add-weeeek. They list jobs on the back of the magazine and I am sure you will find something there to suit you. I have seen several jobs posted for people who are Spanish." (I am Mexican). I walked away frustrated and unsure if I was just insulted. Clearly, I was.
However, that was utterly PC compared to another interview I had lined up with Grey. As I sat in the lobby waiting for a woman to interview me, she sent her assistant to check on me. The assistant shook my hand and quickly excused herself. After 20 minutes the assistant returned to tell me I would not be seen after all. Apparently, a minor morning earth quake (a 3.5) had her "suddenly" busy with emergency preparedness meetings. Despite my numerous follow-ups, I never heard back. Surprisingly, enough the same occurred just a couple of years ago at OGM. After making me wait for the owner at least 30 minutes, I was later told he "unexpectedly" had an emergency meeting. Despite meeting and even exceeding all their published requirements and having two strong client endorsements (their clients), I was dismissed with "we decided to pass on you."
Indeed racism is alive and thriving in this business a hot-house of controversy. As a minority I am not even immune to it in Hispanic shops. Until recently, the then president of a well-known Hispanic agency in Irvine, CA, dropped several little nuggets of racism. Once we were in a group discussing the mindset of the recent Hispanic immigrant. I offered up as my personal example that when my family immigrated to the US, the first day of school was a big event. My mother, as many mothers in Mexico, meticulously ensured we were in our best for our first day. However, when I began to share this, the white president of this Hispanic agency interrupted with, "Let me guess...and you showed up in braids and huaraches." He was painting the stereotypic picture of a peasant Mexican, ignorant and poor on her first day of school. I quit.
Now, I am back on the job market as the instability of this business keeps me on the move and can only hope these such racist encounters are diminished. I can only hope.
15 years ago I wrote, "The Invisible Man in the Gray Flannel Suit" for Print Magazine. It was about racism in the creative departments of the top 25 U.S. ad agencies. It became the basis for much tongue wagging, just like now.
And just like now, most of the people doing the talking were the "minorities" left out of the loop, not the ones already on the inside - and definitely not the "whites" who owned and ran the business. They were too busy making money.
Since then I've started a new career as a writer, artist, creative catalyst and man of mystery (and leisure).
I really don't have much to add to this august group except to say that I don't think much will change until, just like the Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s, enough people get enough nerve to take the issue to the streets. I recommend every ostracized or underemployed "colored" person get together and stage sit-ins and demonstrations in the reception areas and entrances of major ad agencies holding signs that denigrate their clients for financing their racist hiring practices.
Meanwhile check out my blogs:
http://www.askraceman.com
and
http://www.originaals.com
I've just done a painting called, "Dreams Can Come True" that some think is the greatest work by an American artist - ever. (In the interest of modesty, I'm not going to say who that "some" is).
As a 99%er, who normally just read and not comment (1%) of this blog, I find the out right promotion on here amusing. This blog should be renamed the gripewhine. That's mostly what's done here. Whine, Whine and Whine. Want some cheese with that?
I get a chuckle out of the blatant self interest of the whiners, who most likely could not cut it in the ad biz, crying racism now. What a crock of crap. There's always racial excuses. Look in the mirror and just say to yourself, "I ain't or wasn't good enough." Maybe, tomorrow.
The best in the biz are running the ad biz. It's like natural selection. Every time bottom feeders can't cut it, they blame someone at the top. Blame your own lack of commitment to be the best, not me , not the system, not discrimination, not racism, but your lack of commitment, guts and wherewithal.
Drawing from most of the comments on this blog, most of you people are too committed to THE BLAME GAME. Despite you blaming us, you continue to push your books, your art work and your resume on this us, while calling us racist. Unreal, but typical. I bet in your mind, if I don't buy your products or use your services, I am racist, right?
while you did not state outright that whites are more talented than non-whites I do believe it was implied if you connect the dots. If talent is the deciding factor in hiring at general market agencies and the vast majority of hires and those on staff are white then it must mean that those hiring consider it so. No?
It is understandable given that those making the choice are, for the most part, well, white. And that is the problem. It raises the question of cultural not racial bias. Can a candidate who has a portfolio built on work done for the non-white audiences be fairly judged? Do the people making the decision have an understanding of the cultural nuances that make the work great (motivating to the audiences they were intended for)? Do they have an understanding of the extreme budget limitations faced by these candidates when producing the work? Do they understand how the original idea was tainted by non-ethnic clients imposing their 'prejudices' on the work. And I don't mean only white clients. They come in all shapes, colors and sizes.
Would you as a 'general market' creative take lightly that your commercial be taken to your client's Hispanic agency to be scrutinized and re-written in Spanish and then be told you had to rewrite the English accordingly? Oh, but without loosing your cultural cues. So disregard the 'Chevere' and put an 'OK' in there and don't forget the guy that looks like a Viking but nerdy. Make sure he looks like he just got out of bed. And change the soundtrack, make it urban. Then produce it with a budget that is a dime to the dollar on what is generally budgeted for a general market spot. Oh, and put an American football in there somewhere. All American guys love football.
The result would be a spot that I imagine you would find 'inferior'. I certainly would. But it would not be a true reflection of your talent.
In the many years I have been in this business I have witnessed over and over again as general market agencies have been handed or appropriated themselves of 'great' ideas generated by their 'ethnic' partner agencies. Many times because the client feels that it is better work than they generated. I imagine you would find those to be the result of great talent. Talent my friend that has gone unrecognized. In none of those cases was the creative responsible for the idea at the 'ethnic' agency offered a position at the general market agency that took the credit for their work.
That candidates should be judged by the quality of their work...yes. My question is whether they can be judged fairly with an open mind by those who are comparing the work to their own stereotypes.
I think you are voicing as very real frustration. But I don't think it has anything to do with what I was talking about. You are sick of general agencies treating their multi-cultural partners with little regard. And quite frankly, I agree with you. I also feel that general agencies have treated their online, direct, pharma and promotional partners with ambivalence and disrespect as well. It's the reason many general shops are struggling in this "non-30 second" world.
When it comes to white creative directors understanding subtle nuances in spanish speaking advertising, I'm not sure I get what you are asking. I think the people doing the hiring at agencies I've worked at have looked at people books for need. If they needed a creative to work on a piece of business that was comedy heavy, they certainly wouldn't call in someone who's book wasn't funny. If they needed to staff a financial account, they probably wouldn't hire someone who had nothing on their reel but dick jokes. I guess what I'm getting at is people hire people who they think will help their department. And the point I've made in an ever growing number of posts here is I have never worked for anyone who made those decisions based on ethnicity. But if a creative director can't understand the language in a body of work...it kinda makes it hard to make a refined judgement.
When it comes to this vast conspiracy that continues to be hinted towards in this post, I guess I'll leave it with this seemingly odd analogy. There are very few minority players, coaches, GMs and Owners in the National Hockey League. This is a fact. But does that mean The National Hockey League is a racist league? Perhaps. Or does it mean that the best athletes in the latino and black communities choose other athletic paths because a career in hockey never really made it onto their radar? We all seem to be assuming that a job as a creative in advertising is the ultimate goal of any creative person of color. But you know what?
Maybe it isn't.
I'm not making it directly to him because I try to avoid communicating with folks who exhibit the lethal combination of ignorance and arrogance.
But just so his blathering won't go unchallenged, I'll make this comment and that's it.
For someone so sure "unwhite" folks are incapable of living up to the high standard of creative excellence set by "uncolored" folks in the mad ad gsme, he undermines his very argument by his cliché-ridden post.
Is his the level of creativity we've failed to live up to? His excuses and alibis are as old and tired as the idea of white supremacy itself.
It has everything to do with what you are talking about. My point was that those choosing are not (how do I put it?) sophisticated enough regardless of the need they are seeking to fulfill or how many awards they have on their shelf. To use an odd analogy of my own: If you only eat overcooked meat and potatoes you probably are not going to want to eat sushi. And you will probably find those that do to be weird (as my Irish family members in Rockaway do).
I used the example not out of frustration but out of experience. Frankly, and I don't mean to insult anyone, I view this behavior with a certain contempt more than frustration. I kind of chuckle inside at it when it happens.
I don't speak for myself. I have made a good career doing work for Hispanic, multicultural and general market agencies alike - in the United States and Latin America. I speak for the many that have worked for me, and friends I have made along the way, who have been shut out from their dream. To say that it is not every creative's dream to see their work everywhere they turn in mainstream media is naïve. It would be like saying a Film Director doesn't want to see his movie on the big screen or win an Oscar. As a creative director I speak for creatives. I know many Latinos and Blacks who work in general market agencies servicing the non-minority staff as studio managers, traffic coordinators, administrative assistants, in HR and in the mail room. That is where these agencies seem to find them very talented. I don't think anyone is arguing about the quantity of jobs I think most are concerned about the quality.
Galen, as the saying goes, where there is smoke there is fire.
One more experience I will share with you. Several years ago I was contacted by a very well known headhunter in the industry for an Executive Creative Position at a Hispanic agency, part of a large GM agency. I told her that I would be more interested in talking about a position as creative director in the GM agency since I knew there was one available. She looked at me and said: "Cristian, you do amazing work (English language work)...blah, blah,blah...but to be honest, it would be easier for me to get the proverbial camel through the head of a pin than to get you into a general market agency coming from the 'minority' side of the business."
By the way, you know how I got into the general market? I went out and got myself some clients of my own. I'm checking out of this string. It is divided in two fronts, those who have experienced/witnessed discrimination and those who have not. I think there is not much more to contribute that has not been already said by both sides. If you want to continue this conversation off-line shoot me an e-mail at: cristian@cristiandobles.com
Best to you.
Sorry to chime in 9 days later. I'm somewhat embarrassed to be a journalist on the frontline of diversity issues and missed the biggest story to date. I've read ALL the blog entries and I challenge EVERYONE to step out from behind the blog and share your stories on camera.
Who wants to be in a documentary?
Simply email me at chris@project54tour.org.
Chris Surrey
Executive Director
Project54Tour
www.project54tour.org
www.diversityinmedia.com
http://multicultclassics.blogspot.com/2007/06/essay-4100.html
Every so often you run across an author or an article that is the right outlook, at the right time. If you want to really understand from a non-racial perspective what's plaguing the advertising industry, read and pass along this article http://www.strategy-business.com/press/article/08204?gko=45947-1876-26908103
Hello Lady and Gentlemen,
Sorry to chime in 9 days later. I'm somewhat embarrassed to be a journalist on the frontline of diversity issues and missed the biggest story to date. I've read ALL the blog entries and I challenge EVERYONE to step out from behind the blog and share your stories on camera.
Who wants to be in a documentary?
Simply email me at chris@project54tour.org.
Chris Surrey
Executive Director
Project54Tour
www.project54tour.org
www.diversityinmedia.com –Christopher Surrey, New York, NY