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Media Giants Want to Top Google Results

Argue That Professional Sources Should Be More Recognized Than Blogs

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NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- Major media companies are increasingly lobbying Google to elevate their expensive professional content within the search engine's undifferentiated slush of results.

Many publishers resent the criteria Google uses to pick top results, starting with the original PageRank formula that depended on how many links a page got. But crumbling ad revenue is lending their push more urgency; this is no time to show up on the third page of Google search results. And as publishers renew efforts to sell some content online, moreover, they're newly upset that Google's algorithm penalizes paid content.

"You should not have a system," one content executive said, "where those who are essentially parasites off the true producers of content benefit disproportionately."

Last November John Kosner, ESPN's digital-media senior VP, renewed the charge at a meeting of Google's Publishers Advisory Council, a small, invitation-only group for professional publishers to pow-wow confidentially with the search giant. Members include BusinessWeek, ESPN, Hearst, Meredith, The New York Times, Time Inc. and The Wall Street Journal. "This wasn't the first time that it had been raised, but John certainly put a bright spotlight on it," said one person in attendance.

Then in January, Martin Nisenholtz, New York Times Co. senior VP-digital operations, got up at the annual Online Publishers Association summit in Florida, an event closed to the press, to blast both the algorithm and the results presentation on the screen.

Priorities
He'd just run a search for Gaza, which had been at war with Israel since Dec. 27. Google returned links to outdated BBC stories, Wikipedia entries and even an anti-Semitic YouTube video well before coverage by the Times, which had an experienced reporter covering the war from inside Gaza itself.

Search results for "Gaza" on March 20 began with two Wikipedia links, a March 19 BBC report, two video clips of unclear origin, the CIA World Factbook, a Guardian report and, most strikingly, a link to Gaza-related messages on Twitter.

And every item looks about the same, whether it's a link to Vanity Fair or to FreeGaza.org, undermining the power of known brands. That's especially ironic given Google CEO Eric Schmidt's charge to magazine publishers last October, when he said brands were the way to sort out the "cesspool" that the net is becoming. "Who's actually driving people to these secondary, tertiary and Looooong Tail sites?" one big-time publisher said. "It's Google."

Publishers said they're not asking for a leg up over amateurs and link-happy bloggers. "This would in no way mean that only professional content publishers would get an advantage," one said. "It really just says that the original source, and the source with real access, should somehow be recognized as the most important in the delivery of results."

Google says it's trying but can't just flip a switch to deliver pro publishers' dreams. "There's absolutely value to original content," a spokesman said. "There's value to derivative content, too. We look at this in many ways from the point of view of the user. But the truth is there are so many shades of gray even within, quote, original content."

'Plaintive cry'
Not everyone supports the publishers' push. "It's the plaintive cry of people who have lost their monopoly trying to scrounge a little of it back," said Michael Wolff, Vanity Fair columnist and founder of Newser, which aggregates and links news from around the web. "Sometimes it's true that you'd rather get what The New York Times has to say about something rather than a host of bloggers. But more interestingly it's not always true. And it is in fact less and less true."

Publishers are nonetheless looking forward to the next closed-door meeting of Google's Publishers Advisory Council on April 30, when many hope to get some solid response from Google. They don't just want "We'll fix it." They want more insight into Google's black box of data and decision making.

They're also beginning to cast around for new leverage. Publishers on both sides of the Atlantic are increasingly adopting the Automated Content Access Protocol, which intends to tell search engines what they can use and how. It's focused on copyright, but widespread adoption might give publishers new clout with Google.

Some publishers concede, however, they could help themselves more too. "Google has designed an algorithm," one said. "They don't owe us that we show up a particular way. They do publish a whole lot about how to make your site show up as much as possible. If people haven't taken action on it, that's their own damn fault."


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  By Now | New York, NY March 22, 2009 04:35:37 pm:
"This is no time to end up on the 3rd page of Google search results" says it all and it's about time it was said in the "bible of the business".Larry Brown,Adsimple,East Hampton,NY
  By onlinematters | Carmel Valley, CA March 23, 2009 08:02:52 am:
I have written on the subject of biasing search results to brand before, and am very much against it.

My key point - and actually the same one made by the article - is that big brands have an investment they have to defend and they have the $$ and market clout to do so (so why aren't I on the publisher'
s council - easy, I don't spend millions to expand my brand). Big brands, if they are smart, can as easily manipulate the search rankings as anyone - so why give someone with large $$ to spend doing so a leg up (more than their budgets) over folks who, for example, may have something honest to say that is critical and where they are "content owners." A Big Brand can hire reputation management firms , for example, to push critical results down the page - this bias just helps them do so.

Google needs to maintain a "neutral point of view" in its results. It should neither favor nor reduce the power of any voice, big or small.

As the article points out, just because CNN invests big $$ in a story doesn't make it the "best" arbiter of what is news. The large news companies tend to operate in a very "careful" range of viewpoints - they need big audiences, and so can't go too far afield for fear of angering one viewer segment (which includes powerful Washington interests). As a result, many times a smaller media site (eg Arianna Huffington's site) may have a more "representative" point of view, especially for certain audiences. We just can't afford to punish that. If we do, then we risk the web becoming another media channel dominated by a few large and powerful entities.
  By ctaylorgraham | NYC, NY March 23, 2009 10:07:26 am:
The point of any search engine should be to enhance user experience, give them what they want. In the case of branded terms, I believe enough people are looking for the brand site to warrant some additional weight in favor of the brand's site. But only some!
As for the Times, give me a break. It's a news site. In no way does it automatically deserve extra weight for breaking news. That's what the news listings are for. Their assumption that they, and resources like theirs, are more relevant is absurd.
  By scottephoto | Springfield, MI March 23, 2009 12:07:34 pm:
Boo hoo to the big media. Maybe today's technology will get you off your butts and actually create content in which readers have an interest, instead of morphing the coverage to suit your stockholders.
  By experienceadvertising | Plantation, FL March 23, 2009 12:14:29 pm:
Of course they do, but the beautiful thing is anyone no matter how small can get ranked well in Google.
  By MICHAEL | LA GRANGE, IL March 23, 2009 12:41:23 pm:
Fascinating story...and great insight into the Google process and brave new world of the internet which doesn't differentiate between "professional" (?) and the lowly bloggers. A parallel to the real world fate of the giants of publishing.
  By rwilki | Finksburg, MD March 23, 2009 02:56:53 pm:
Very insightful article. Since I'm on the website development side of business, my opinion might contrast with folks from the pure advertising side. I understand why the "Giants" want more leverage and pull with Google in regards to organic rankings, I'm not all that sympathetic.

Here's why. I too have to spend money too for google adwords. I don't have nearly the purchasing power that the huge conglomerates do to even secure top ad positions with google. That's fine with me. It's business. But organic rankings are not supposed to be influenced by the allure of ad dollars. Organic rankings give us small potatoes companies the opportunity to gain visibility in the big pool. I don't agree with under-handed tactics to achieve artificially high rankings either, but I don't see anything wrong with google having a proprietary system that powers their indexing - and not sharing it.

If google offers points or favors to the big ad spenders, what does that leave the rest of us? If it's paid advertising, the $ should determine positioning and visibility. If it's "free", we should all play by the same rules.
  By mondogrande | Ft Lauderdale, FL March 23, 2009 03:22:01 pm:
The irony of this story is that when doing research, more often than not, the most useful information IS on the third page of Google.

It is sad to say but as a society we have become more interested in opinion than fact.

http://www.proudtoliveinamerica.com
  By eladk | Ramat Hasharon March 23, 2009 03:28:06 pm:
Why not take a customer-centric approach?
Search engines pride themselves on the relevance of their results. If media giants were to present research data showing how Google users (and not the media giants themselves) would have actually preferred seeing their content at the top of Google search results, rather than whatever else came up there, then they might have a real case.
Not surprisingly, I bet that the thought of taking the customer's pov has never even come up, which explains why yesterday's media giants are getting less gigantic by the day.
  By adexchanger | New york, NY March 23, 2009 04:12:37 pm:
Another OPA initiative gone awry. When are large, branded publishers going to embrace the connectedness of the Internet? They just made enemies with many of their most ardent supporters and providers of significant reach: the long tail and blogs.

www.AdExchanger.com - Joe Fredericks -
  By rsaling | Surprise, AZ March 23, 2009 04:44:20 pm:
Of course if I just put Gaza, I will get a very broad group of results, which may be far from what I am looking for. If I want to read the original content on a topic such as what is happening in Gaza this month, I would search Gaza March 2009 and the newspaper or particular reporter I am following as part of the search parameter. I wrote more on my blog post http://rsaling.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/media-giants-whine-to-google/
  By MATSNL65 | LOS ANGELES, CA March 23, 2009 09:28:54 pm:
Interesting. The media placing conglomerates are seeking to muscle their millions in media power to coop the information that's found in non-corporate sources. That's what this sounds like to me. The problem is that people are less and less trusting of those "trusted" sources and not even crashing the internet and wishing them away won't the world NBCBSCNN again. This is a time of great change in information and the dinosaurs that are seeking to "control" the environment are taking the wrong strategy. Make your offerings better instead of worrying about your revenue model.
Langston Richardson
http://www.twitter.com/MATSNL65/
  By Colin | San Francisco, CA March 24, 2009 01:54:20 pm:
The traditional media companies never cease to amaze - rather than developing, SEO and SMO (Social Media Optimization) and community strategies and understanding the power of the link and syndication - they want to "game" the system because they believe their content is best ! They are delusional if they think Google is going to agree to this. Of course, Google is too diplomatic to dismiss the request for a discussion out of hand. Suggest the media execs read the Jeff Jarvis book - What Would Google Do. Media companies need to build defensible strategies that harness the power and engagement of their communities. Colin Crawford, SF (past member of Google Publisher Advisory Committee)
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