What should we expect on the branding front? The value in MDC is its agency brands, yet the name arguably carries some baggage. Stagwell will control things under the deal, so would it make sense to name the company Stagwell?
I think we’re going to have a couple of months to consider that sensitive question. No news to break on that.
I heard a few weeks ago that you hired MediaLink to lead some sort of assessment on the merger. Can you give any color on that partnership?
MediaLink is a partner and has been a partner of both Stagwell and MDC so they are in a good position to offer some good advice on that [branding] front.
How will Stagwell agencies fit into these clusters you’ve been forming within MDC? You mentioned on the investor call this morning that Code and Theory had worked with Doner on a pitch. Might that shop, for example, join the Doner-led network or will agencies be merged and reduced?
We formed a series of networks and those networks will continue to be the drivers of talent and combined services. We may have some Stagwell companies join those networks and I also think there are some companies in research and other offerings related to media and performance marketing that will span all those networks and serve as the underpinning to all of them.
This really is about collaboration, not consolidation, and we expect these networks will be enhanced by the backbone of services.
You will be chairman and CEO of the merged company. Can you give any insight into who else will sit on the management team?
It’s a little early on that. We’re still waiting obviously on regulatory and shareholder approval, but I think there is a great combination of management here from both companies. Over here at MDC we have [Executive VP of Strategy and Corporate Development] David Ross, general counsel, and [Chief Financial Officer] Frank Lanuto. Over at Stagwell we have [Partner] Jay Leveton and [Chief Financial Officer] Ryan Greene.
We are looking to draw upon all the top talent from both companies. Very important to all of this is the newly-formed integrated solutions group, which is about bringing resources together for larger pitches, which originally sat across MDC and now will sit across MDC and Stagwell so clients can get all the resources they need.
Is the $30 million in projected cost savings realistic? Investor slides show where it would come from—$10 million from “media.” Can you explain that?
It has obviously been carefully put together by a combination of financial and work teams. A lot of those synergies come from simplified operations, continued back-office consolidation. One of the things I tried to do is to keep the cultures, what I call the front office. Agencies will continue to offer their unique cultures and creativity to clients while we bring together the back office—HR, IT, finance, accounting. Media is a heavy, back-office service. By combining back offices in media, we will create a much more efficient offering.
We continue to generate savings across real estate. We recently opened up the new headquarters in the World Trade Center [in New York], consolidating 13 [offices] within MDC. We hope to do something similar in L.A. and other hubs.
How does Stagwell fit into this real estate consolidation? Will we see MDC and Stagwell sharing offices?
We will when appropriate. You are definitely going to see that. As it is in the World Trade Center, Stagwell is a few floors below MDC. That’s already been quite convenient, bringing together about 1,500 people from both companies in a single place.
Do you expect layoffs? How many jobs will be cut in that $30 million in cost savings?
Principally this is about collaboration, not consolidation. This is a larger-sized organization. I’m not going to speculate on how these things will be consolidated but this is primarily about growth. When you look at what we’re trying to achieve—9% total growth every year—key to reaching that [goal] will be making administrative changes. We will be leveraging existing teams to handle more and more and become more efficient.
There was a quote that made headlines in November when Domino’s sent its account from CPB to WorkinProgress. Domino’s Chief Marketing Officer Art D’Elia said the company prefers the flexibility of an independent model over a holding company model. What do you make of this argument that holding companies aren’t as flexible or efficient as independents?
We have the right balance of talent and technology to be responsive to fast-moving client needs. The largest holding companies got too big, they had trouble catching up and they became too bureaucratic. Meanwhile the consultancies couldn’t draw the creative talent.
What makes us unique is the top creative talent at places like 72andSunny and Forsman & Bodenfors, combined with our technology offerings. It’s typical for independents to pick up more limited assignments but in the new marketing world where you need to get the right ads to the right audiences at the right times, clients require 360-degree scale. This merger provides the ability for us to unlock larger clients against larger holding companies.
What is the future of your creative agencies, and CPB and Anomaly in particular? Both those agencies have struggled recently with layoffs and account losses.
Part of what I believe about agencies is that they do have continuing life. Anomaly has been doing absolutely great; they won the North American Coke creative business. [Editor's note: Coca-Cola threw it's entire account up for review this month.] Individual clients come and go in this industry, and more often with the changes of CMOs. I was one of those when I took the advertising job at Microsoft. There’s always creative destruction in this industry, but we saw these agencies achieving remarkable growth in the pandemic. You look at the amazing clientele they have; Fortune 500 companies. Individual clients come and go, but the base at these agencies is really remarkable. Our ability now to penetrate the needs more deeply across clients is dramatically advanced in this combination. I am quite bullish on both CPB and Anomaly.
What really happened with Alex Bogusky and what does the future of CPB look like without his leadership? The co-founder left the agency at the start of 2020 less than 18 months after he returned.
I think agencies have to move on under new generations of leadership. We will continue to invest in great leadership and great talent. There is a new CPB [U.S.] chief creative officer [Jorge Calleja] just announced. We have the ability to invest and grow talent and we will do that.
WPP sold its research business, Kantar. Why does it make sense for MDC and Stagwell to keep a research business?
Well, first WPP only sold part of the revenue stream of their research business. I am quite knowledgable about research and we have really great firms led by the Harris Poll. We have NRG [purchased from Nielsen] out in California that has worked on marketing and now works for all the streaming companies in all growing areas in content development. These are great businesses bringing strategic insight to clients.
We also are going to leverage the unique assets we have from millions of consumer interviews across 13 markets—we can enable both the media and creative teams to access the best possible market profiles for any brand or product in the span of a couple of days. The competitive advantage for us is leveraging our proprietary data operation without having to spend millions of dollars.
In June, you said the combined business would be worth $4.25 a share. The stock today, the morning after the formal deal announcement, is trading around $2.48, not much above Monday’s close of $2.23. What happened to that $4.25 valuation?
We have not in any way backed off of that as a principle but this is still a deal in progress. We have regulatory and shareholder approvals. This is the first day we filed the deck for investors. It’s not the best week for spreading information, but we’re giving guidance on EBITDA that is better than last year despite the pandemic. We’ve shown the dramatic growth of Stagwell. It will take time to analyze and see the unique benefits of this combination.
What are your predictions for 2021 in terms of new business growth and how this merged company will fit into an evolving, post-pandemic industry?
I think 2021 will be characterized by coming out of the pandemic; maybe not as quickly as everyone would like. I see April as a turning point. Hopefully we will see summer be a renewed travel season if things go as expected with the [COVID] vaccine, building up to an even stronger 2022. We are really well positioned by design, frankly. I started Stagwell five years ago to put together primarily digital-based companies. MDC is getting the best talent and is unmatched across the industry. When you bring the two together, it should provide the scale and technology to get us into more rooms when people consider more business and get us coming out with bigger and bigger wins.
Correction: An earlier version of this story misquoted Penn as saying the company predicts it will achieve 9% annual organic growth as a result of the merger. It is actually 9% total growth annually.